F.W. FARNSWORTH LIMITED

TRINITY PARK HOUSE, FOX WAY, WAKEFIELD, WEST YORKSHIRE, WF2 8EE

Company Number: 00255912
Incorporation date: 23-Apr-1931
Status: Active
Entity type: Private Limited Company

SIC codes:
10130 Production of meat and poultry meat products
10890 Manufacture of other food products not elsewhere classified




SUMMARY

This company is 93.5 years old and is currently active. It is controlled by Beverley House (9000) Limited. The company has negative equity (net assets) of GBP -81.3 million which has worsened since the previous year's figure of GBP -74.6 million. The latest reported revenue figure is GBP 76.3 million which is up 2541830% on previous year's figure of GBP 3 thousand. The company is both loss making and has negative equity, it is therefore likely to go bankrupt unless it can raise funding or business has improved since the last accounts were filed. Retained earnings is negative (GBP -102.8 million), which means the company has aggregate losses since it's inception or it has paid more dividends than it can afford; given the company's age, this is a sign of serious financial problems. The company has 2 active officers (directors or partners) who are or were officers of 40 other companies, 5 (12.5%) of which have since been dissolved or are proposed for strike off. The company has no public disputes filed on the Business Disputes Register. There are 3 court cases involving the company that we are aware of.


FINANCIALS (BETA)

Next accounts due: 30-Apr-2025
Accounts Filed: AUDIT EXEMPTION SUBSIDIARY (29-Jul-2023)


P&L Financials:
Year end Currency Revenue Operating profit Interest Received Interest Paid Tax Net Profit GBP
27-Jul-2019 GBP 76,258,000 -721,000
28-Jul-2018 GBP 3,000 -1,143,000
29-Jul-2017 GBP 82,368,000 -3,427,000
30-Jul-2016 GBP 102,258,000 2,602,000
01-Aug-2015 GBP
02-Aug-2014 GBP 90,199,000 343,000 -12,059,000


Balance Sheet Financials:
Year end Currency Cash Current Assets Current Liabilities Debt Share Capital Premium Reserve Retained Earnings Net Assets
27-Jul-2019 GBP 74,000 48,848,000 136,795,000 21,425,000 34,000 -102,785,000 -81,326,000
28-Jul-2018 GBP 69,000 50,463,000 133,171,000 21,425,000 34,000 -96,098,000 -74,639,000
29-Jul-2017 GBP 73,000 51,526,000 129,493,000 21,425,000 34,000 -89,729,000 -68,270,000
30-Jul-2016 GBP 84,000 52,592,000 124,405,000 21,426,000 33,000 -82,321,000 -60,862,000
01-Aug-2015 GBP 8,700 5,169,600 12,249,500 2,142,600 3,300 -8,013,500 5,867,600
02-Aug-2014 GBP 5,403,800 12,150,100 9,600 212,000 7,600 5,480,000

VALUATION EVENTS (BETA)

Year end Currency % Equity Sum raised Pre-Money Valuation* Post-Money Valuation* Enterprise Value**
29-Jul-2017 GBP 0.00% 0 0 0 -78,500
30-Jul-2016 GBP 90.00% 19,313,100 2,145,900 21,459,000 11,756,100
01-Aug-2015 GBP 90.11% 1,933,900 212,362 2,146,262 1,179,762
* Average valuation during the period
** Estimated based on average Cash and Debt levels during period

DISPUTES

No disputes filed on www.disputesregister.org

COMPANY SECRETARY


Status Name Appointed on Resigned on Occupation Nationality All apointments
(active/resigned)
Resigned Huan QUAYLE 16 Apr 2012 09 Oct 2012 0 - 1
Resigned Carol WILLIAMS 31 Mar 2005 16 Apr 2012 Solicitor British 2 - 189
Resigned Julian Nicholas WILD 30 Sep 2003 31 Mar 2005 British 0 - 2
Resigned Michael Henry BUCKLEY 01 Dec 1991 30 Sep 2003 Finance Director British 0 - 25
Resigned Michael Henry BUCKLEY 30 Sep 2003 British 0 - 25

DIRECTORS


Status Name Appointed on Resigned on Occupation Nationality All appointments
(active/resigned)
Dissolved companies
(rate)
Active Veepul PATEL 22 May 2023 Director British 4 - 00 (0.0%)
Resigned Craig Ashley TOMKINSON 30 Jun 2018 26 Jul 2024 Group Cfo British 8 - 7019 (24.4%)
Resigned Ronald Klaas Otto KERS 30 Jun 2018 26 May 2023 Group Ceo Dutch 5 - 8419 (21.3%)
Resigned Richard Neil PIKE 22 Aug 2017 30 Jun 2018 Group Cfo British 3 - 17123 (13.2%)
Resigned Richard Peter SIMPSON 27 Jul 2017 23 Oct 2020 Finance Director British 0 - 90 (0.0%)
Resigned Martyn Paul FLETCHER 27 Jul 2017 31 Jul 2018 Coo British 0 - 7118 (25.4%)
Resigned Gareth Wyn DAVIES 24 Aug 2015 31 Aug 2017 Accountant British 0 - 23559 (25.1%)
Resigned Ian John TOAL 31 Jul 2015 08 Jul 2016 Managing Director British 9 - 193 (10.7%)
Resigned Keith Richard PACKER 20 Apr 2015 12 Apr 2023 Managing Director British 6 - 270 (0.0%)
Resigned Colin David SMITH 31 Oct 2014 07 Jul 2017 Managing Director British 2 - 60 (0.0%)
Resigned John Alexander DUNSFORD 26 Sep 2014 29 Apr 2016 Accountant British 4 - 181 (4.5%)
Resigned Lochlain John FEELEY 01 Aug 2014 31 Jul 2015 Managing Director Irish 0 - 111 (9.1%)
Resigned Stephen Paul LEADBEATER 20 Jun 2014 28 Jul 2017 Group Cfo British 1 - 13250 (37.6%)
Resigned Christopher WALKER 02 Dec 2013 31 Oct 2014 Chief Operating Officer British 0 - 50 (0.0%)
Resigned Simon James Penny WOOKEY 17 Jun 2013 31 Oct 2018 Managing Director British 6 - 111 (5.9%)
Resigned Tolla Joanne CURLE 09 Oct 2012 26 Sep 2014 Accountant British 1 - 312 (6.3%)
Resigned David Steven MORGAN 16 Apr 2012 24 Aug 2015 Solicitor British 0 - 5113 (25.5%)
Active Ranjit Singh BOPARAN 31 Dec 2011 Director British 14 - 276 (14.6%)
Resigned Saeeda Naz AMIN 09 Aug 2011 21 Apr 2015 Accountant British 0 - 141 (7.1%)
Resigned Veepul PATEL 20 May 2011 01 Aug 2014 Finance Director British 0 - 90 (0.0%)
Resigned Graham Keith HUNTER 10 Dec 2010 31 Dec 2011 Managing Director British 0 - 281 (3.6%)
Resigned Kuldip Singh KULAR 12 Apr 2010 17 Jun 2013 Director British 5 - 111 (6.3%)
Resigned Huan QUAYLE 22 Mar 2010 09 Oct 2012 Assistant Company Secretary British 0 - 3612 (33.3%)
Resigned Simon Edward HERRICK 13 Jan 2010 30 Jun 2011 Finance Director British 4 - 5723 (37.7%)
Resigned Andrew Michael BOOKER 14 Jul 2009 31 Dec 2009 Finance Director British 3 - 116 (42.9%)
Resigned Clare DE AROSTEGUI 24 Dec 2008 20 May 2011 Accountant British 0 - 80 (0.0%)
Resigned Robin Peter WALKER 22 Sep 2008 31 Oct 2010 Company Director British 2 - 122 (14.3%)
Resigned Clare NEEDHAM 22 Jul 2008 24 Dec 2008 Chartered Accountant British 0 - 20 (0.0%)
Resigned Gary URMSTON 17 May 2007 14 Jul 2009 Finance Director British 0 - 61 (16.7%)
Resigned Linda Jane HALL 28 Mar 2007 03 Mar 2010 Company Secretary British 2 - 7126 (35.6%)
Resigned Stephen Edward BROOKER 28 Mar 2007 17 May 2007 Company Director British 0 - 70 (0.0%)
Resigned Stephen HENDERSON 28 Mar 2007 01 Aug 2014 Group Chief Accountant British 3 - 10021 (20.4%)
Resigned Stefan BARDEN 12 Oct 2006 30 Nov 2010 Company Director British 0 - 143 (21.4%)
Resigned Jonathan Craig LILL 19 May 2006 22 Jul 2008 Finance Director British 4 - 5310 (17.5%)
Resigned Carol WILLIAMS 31 Mar 2005 16 Apr 2012 Solicitor British 2 - 18954 (28.3%)
Resigned Ian Anthony ELLIS 08 Mar 2005 19 May 2006 Group Finance Executive British 2 - 3814 (35.0%)
Resigned Alexander Jonathan STEWART 09 Feb 1999 03 Sep 2003 Company Director British 0 - 162 (12.5%)
Resigned Michael Sean CHRISTIE 09 Feb 1999 22 Oct 2004 Finance Director British 1 - 595 (8.3%)
Resigned Julian Nicholas WILD 09 Feb 1999 31 Mar 2005 Company Secretary British 0 - 20 (0.0%)
Resigned Matthew Thomas GRIBBIN 30 Jun 1998 28 Feb 2006 Director British 0 - 111 (9.1%)
Resigned John Malcolm James DICKS 01 Dec 1991 30 Jun 1998 Company Chairman British 0 - 118 (72.7%)
Resigned Michael Henry BUCKLEY 01 Dec 1991 30 Sep 2003 Finance Director British 0 - 2515 (60.0%)
Resigned Leonard Christopher JACKSON 17 Dec 1948 31 Jul 1999 Managing Director British 0 - 32 (66.7%)
Resigned Peter John CLARK 31 Dec 1991 Company Director British 0 - 41 (25.0%)
Resigned Richard Michael EYRES 31 Dec 1991 Personnel Director British 0 - 10 (0.0%)
Resigned Graham Derrick MARCH 31 Dec 1991 Company Director British 0 - 21 (50.0%)
Resigned John Malcolm James DICKS 30 Jun 1998 Company Chairman British 0 - 118 (72.7%)
Resigned Brian STEIN 31 Dec 1991 Company Director British 5 - 273 (9.4%)
Resigned Matthew Thomas GRIBBIN 31 Dec 1991 Company Director British 0 - 111 (9.1%)
Resigned Robin Geoffrey SOUTHGATE 31 Dec 1991 Technical Director British 0 - 125 (41.7%)
Resigned Michael Henry BUCKLEY 30 Sep 2003 Finance Director British 0 - 2515 (60.0%)
Number of active directors: 2
Average tenure of active directors: 7.1 years
Average tenure of resigned directors: 2.8 years
Average active director Dissolution Rate: 7.3%

DIRECTOR APPOINTMENTS IN OTHER COMPANIES

Name
 
CAVAGHAN & GRAY LIMITED (00159189) - Active
LLOYD MAUNDER LIMITED (00234992) - Active
F.W. FARNSWORTH LIMITED (00255912) - Active
JOHN RANNOCH LIMITED (00277563) - Active
NORTHERN FOODS GROCERY GROUP LIMITED (00313761) - Active
R.& K.WISE LIMITED (00386864) - Active
NORTHERN FOODS LIMITED (00471864) - Active
MELWOOD INVESTMENTS LIMITED (00755925) - Active
CAVAGHAN & GRAY GROUP LIMITED (01357837) - Active
SOLWAY FOODS LIMITED (02189139) - Active
CONVENIENCE FOODS LIMITED (02226886) - Active
2 SISTERS FOOD GROUP LIMITED (02826929) - Active
BOPARAN FOODS LIMITED (03188828) - Active
2 SISTER FOOD PROCESSORS LIMITED (03468675) - Active
2 SISTER FOOD SERVICES LIMITED (03475845) - Active
PENWOOD AGRICULTURE LIMITED (03498214) - Active - Proposal to Strike off
PENWOOD FOODS LIMITED (03498216) - Active - Proposal to Strike off
BOPARAN HOLDINGS LIMITED (03558065) - Active
PREMIER FRESH FOODS LTD (04052423) - Active
2 SISTERS PREMIER DIVISION LIMITED (04057272) - Active - Proposal to Strike off
BUXTED CHICKEN LTD (04067821) - Active
BUXTED FRESH QUALITY FOODS LTD (04069139) - Active
PREMIER FARMING LTD (04083782) - Active
DEVON CREST FOODS LTD (04083871) - Active
CHALLENGER FOODS LIMITED (04274510) - Active
2 SISTERS (WOLVERHAMPTON) LIMITED (04413859) - Active - Proposal to Strike off
2 SISTERS FISH LIMITED (07208651) - Active
BH ACQUISITIONS LIMITED (07495745) - Active
BOPARAN FINANCE PLC (07594510) - Active
AMBER PROTEINS LIMITED (07712455) - Active
AMBER REAL ESTATE INVESTMENTS (INDUSTRIAL) LIMITED (09885767) - Active
AMBER FOOD MACHINERY LIMITED (09885830) - Active
AMBER REAL ESTATE INVESTMENTS (AGRICULTURE) LIMITED (09885883) - Active
AMBER REAL ESTATE INVESTMENTS (COMMERCIAL) LIMITED (09885916) - Active
MANTON WOOD LIMITED (11438467) - Active
JOSEPH MITCHELL (LETHAM) LIMITED (SC034227) - Active
PRIME GAME LIMITED (SC060647) - Active - Proposal to Strike off
MITCHELL (GAME) LIMITED (SC079739) - Active - Proposal to Strike off
SCOT-LAD LIMITED (SC170045) - Active
2 SISTERS POULTRY LIMITED (SC440782) - Active
KEPAK GROUP LIMITED (SC440783) - Active

SHAREHOLDERS (BETA)

Shareholder name Share class Shares at confirmation date
2015-08-042014-08-042013-08-042012-08-042011-08-04
BEVERLEY HOUSE 9000 LIMITEDORDINARY214,246,448
100%
214,246,448
100%
214,246,448
100%
214,246,448
100%
214,246,448
100%

SHAREHOLDINGS (BETA)

no shareholding data

CONTROLLED COMPANIES / CONTROLLING ENTITIES



Controlling entities above

F.W. FARNSWORTH LIMITED

no controlled companies

LATE PAYMENTS REPORT


Start date End date Average days to pay % invoices paid over 60 days % invoices not paid within agreed terms Gov.uk report
2024-02-01 2024-07-31 59 47% 72% 89341
2023-08-01 2024-01-31 58 45% 73% 82190
2023-02-01 2023-07-31 61 47% 76% 75841
2022-08-01 2023-01-31 56 43% 73% 69295
2022-08-01 2023-01-31 58 45% 75% 75832
2022-02-01 2022-07-31 55 45% 69% 63017
2021-08-01 2022-01-31 58 51% 64% 56366
2021-02-01 2021-07-31 61 52% 63% 49696
2020-08-01 2021-01-31 57 49% 67% 42935
2020-02-01 2020-07-31 61 53% 71% 36410
2019-08-01 2020-01-31 56 46% 67% 29249
2019-02-01 2019-07-31 56 46% 71% 21289
2018-08-01 2019-01-31 51 41% 81% 13512
2018-02-01 2018-07-31 64 55% 82% 6598
2017-08-01 2018-01-31 66 61% 73% 742


COURT CASES


Date Title Reference Subject
2017-08-10 Mr R Matthews v F W Farnsworth Ltd T/a The Pizza Factory [2017] UKET 2600421/2017 Breach of Contract : Redundancy : Unfair Dismissal : Unlawful Deduction from Wages
2017-03-31 Mr M Idris v FW Farnsworth Ltd T/a The Pizza Factory [2017] UKET 2601630/2016 Working Time Regulations
1999-03-23 FW Farnsworth Ltd v McCoid [1999] EWCA Civ 1064

PATENTS


No Patents found

COMPETITORS

(Based on Sic code: 10130 Production of meat and poultry meat products)

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KERRY FOODS LIMITED KERRY, BRADLEY ROAD, ROYAL PORTBURY DOCK, BRISTOL, UNITED KINGDOM, BS20 7NZ 02604258 2017-12-31 487,651,023 84,862,978
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LIQUIDATION RISK (BETA)



This company is Active. Statistically, Active companies have a low probability of being liquidated within a year.
Here are our probability predictions:
Basis Liquidation within 3 months Liquidation within 6 months Liquidation within 12 months Prediction confidence
F.W. FARNSWORTH LIMITED 0.7% 4.0% 7.1% Medium
Other companies Active in the same sector Too few competitors
Age 0.6% 1.7% 2.7% Medium
Company Type 0.7% 3.7% 7.4% Medium
Accounts category 0.4% 1.3% 3.0% Medium
Accounting Month 0.6% 7.2% 9.6% Medium
Sic code count 0.8% 3.8% 7.5% Medium
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